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Won’t anyone think of the STRAIGHT MEN ;_;

Ladies and queer dudes, you just DON’T UNDERSTAND the pain, the discomfort,…

I actually agree with most of what you said, and as I started thinking about it, I realized that they actually probably SHOULD make it where a character of the same gender confesses their attraction. It would bring up an interesting ethical question to the player (Do I still feel comfortable around this person? Do I accept their attraction? Etc.) and allows them to explore themselves in a deeper manner. Also, it is something that will happen in real life, so yeah.

I also think it’s stupid that some people want to put a toggle at the beginning of the game. Choosing NPC’s sexuality is stupid, and not what I was supporting. I was supporting the idea of making double-extra-triple sure not to have an easily activated romance with them, like you sometimes can in ME1 (haven’t had it happen to me personally, but I hear a lot of fans complain about how they “accidently” chose Ashley/Kaiden over Liara), which I’m sure that Bioware has realized and is double checking. 

Eh, I think most people just aren’t comfortable enough in their sexuality to be forced to answer questions like that. Don’t assume all of them are anti-gay bigots, some might just not really be sure enough of their sexuality and it could be a point of contention for them. I know that, if approached by this situation a few years ago, it would’ve made me BEYOND uncomfortable, as I repressed my attraction towards men. 

tl;dr I’m stupid

Even if every single one of the guys opposing queer romance in ME3 or campaigning for a NO HOMO toggle was closeted or struggling with their sexuality it wouldn’t mean that their anti-queer attitudes aren’t… anti-queer attitudes. I say this as someone who has loads of personal experience with the anger and confusion and touchiness that comes with trying to figure yourself out: most of what drives that is internalized homophobia and bigoted anti-queer attitudes. It doesn’t make you an inherently bad person. It doesn’t mean you can’t work through it and improve. But the water is poisoned. The reason that people like us struggle(d) with that shit is because society and our environments impart those problematic views to us.

I sympathize with anyone who’s trying to deal with all of that. It’s hard as hell. But that doesn’t mean I’m not going to point out and address and properly label speech and actions that are damaging as the bigoted, hateful garbage that they are. That wouldn’t help anyone.

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    • #mass effect 2
    • #mass effect 3
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fistfuls of honey: “It’s nice that Bioware’s acknowledging the homosexual fanbase of Mass Effect, but I just wish they’d remember the…

glamaphonic:

Won’t anyone think of the STRAIGHT MEN ;_;

Ladies and queer dudes, you just DON’T UNDERSTAND the pain, the discomfort, of someone you’re not interested in flirting with you.

Turning down LIs you aren’t interested in or not initiating the romance in the first place IS JUST TOO HARD.

IF BIOWARE…

Actually I think that it is important that they do this.

I like Garrus. As a friend. Some people are saying that they want him to be a gay romance option. I honestly don’t want to be flirted with by someone I consider a friend. BTW, I’m dating a guy right now, just to make it clear that I am totally okay with gay people.  

But it would just make the friendship awkward. 

Now, if it’s Shepard who initiates the attraction, I’m fine with it. But if the person is someone I’ve become attatched to as a friend, it would make it awkward if he was suddenly like “Hey I want to fuck you.” Goodbye, friendship. 

Btw, how is being hit on by someone who you aren’t sexually attractive to “Homophobic” or “bigotry”? I’m uncomfortable with being hit on by people who I’m not attracted to. I found it awkward how Tali had a huge crush on me and I had to tell her “no”, because I’m not attracted to her. Does that make me “Xenophobic” or a “bigot”? 

Idk, maybe it’s just me. *shrug*

1) The phantom of non-player initiated romance is always brought up in these conversations and is always ridiculous. Bioware romances are pretty much ALWAYS player initiated. In ME1 the love interests canonically start out with a little bit of a crush on Shepard but they don’t pursue it unless you encourage them and, for the most part, are completely DIScouraged at the drop of a hat. Even a widely derided “ninjamance” like Anders in DA2 only happens if you are unfailingly obscenely nice and complimentary to him no matter what even after he does absurd things. And people have still complained about it sfm that I’m sure they’ll never ever ever do it again. No one is going to pop in ME3, go to talk to their BFF Garrus, and then have him start confessing his love for them with the first paragon dialogue option. It’s just not going to happen and the entire culture of pretending that it will is alarmist and, whether you personally have that as a motivator or not, underlined with anti-queer attitudes.

2) Being unable to pursue a friendship with a character without them interpreting it as romantic interest is NOT a queer romance issue. It’s a general romance issue — and was present and ubiquitously complained about in ME2 which featured no full-fledged queer romances in the base game — and people constantly connecting it intrinsically to queer romance is fallacious and often part of a disingenuous attempt to undermine the inclusion of queer romance. On top of that, Bioware has already explicitly said that there will be deeper FRIENDSHIP paths in ME3 should that be the sort of relationship you want explore so going OMG I WON’T BE ABLE TO BE THIS CHARACTER’S FRIEND IF THEY ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUEER ROMANCE is completely inaccurate on multiple levels.

3) Yes, many people are uncomfortable with people they aren’t attracted to hitting on them. That’s not the problem. The problems are that: a) generally speaking, it is something that women have to deal with a disproportional amount as compared to men in their actual real lives so seeing heterosexual dudebros whine about the concept as if it’s a terrifying experience unique to them that no one could possibly understand is laughably ridiculous at best and deeply offensive and erasing at worst, and b) despite the fact that many of these dudebros are, by their own admission, completely committed to whatever lady love interest they have and not interested in the other women in the game, they only start complaining vocally about the idea of unwanted interest when it’s a MALE character, thus indicating (and many of them again will flatly admit it) that it’s not the unwanted interest, it’s the gender of the perpetrator that’s the problem.

and

4) Ultimately, avoiding romance paths and turning down love interests you don’t want is NOT THAT DIFFICULT. It never has been and Bioware has been making it steadily easier as they go along. The idea of a NO HOMO toggle is not being put forth because it’s just so easy to slip and fall into accidental buttsex. It’s being put forth because, for some people, being able to decide that their personal Shepard isn’t queer and play that accordingly is not enough. They want to be able to have total control over the sexualities of ALL of the NPCs as well so that they can effectively erase queer people from their game entirely. And, yes, sir, that absolutely is anti-queer bigotry.

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    • #mass effect 2
    • #mass effect 3
    • #commander shepard
    • #trigger warning: queerphobia
    • #trigger warning: homophobia
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“It’s nice that Bioware’s acknowledging the homosexual fanbase of Mass Effect, but I just wish they’d remember the straight guys out there as well. For a straight guy, getting…flirted with by a gay guy is mildly uncomfortable, and just not something I could see happening in my head between guys like Shepard and Kaidan.”

Won’t anyone think of the STRAIGHT MEN ;_;

Ladies and queer dudes, you just DON’T UNDERSTAND the pain, the discomfort, of someone you’re not interested in flirting with you.

Turning down LIs you aren’t interested in or not initiating the romance in the first place IS JUST TOO HARD.

IF BIOWARE DOESN’T ADD A “NO HOMO” TOGGLE TO THE CHARACTER CREATOR UNSUSPECTING DUDEBROS EVERYWHERE WILL SOMEHOW “ACCIDENTALLY” INITIATE, FOLLOW UP ON, AND CONSUMMATE A RELATIONSHIP WITH A GUY DESPITE THE EVER-PRESENT OPTION TO SAY “NO” AT ANY TIME

and then

they will catch the ghey irl ;______;

seriously think of the straight men.

    • #i promise to stop reading queer romance threads on the bioware forums eventually
    • #someday
    • #it's a problem
    • #bioware
    • #mass effect
    • #mass effect 2
    • #mass effect 3
    • #kaidan alenko
    • #commander shepard
    • #trigger warning: queerphobia
    • #trigger warning: homophobia
    • #trigger warning: anti-queer bigotry
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“I sacrificed hundreds of human lives to save the Destiny Ascension. I unleashed the Rachni on the galaxy. So, for your sake, I hope your escape plan doesn’t hinge on me hesitating to shoot a damn hostage.”
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“I sacrificed hundreds of human lives to save the Destiny Ascension. I unleashed the Rachni on the galaxy. So, for your sake, I hope your escape plan doesn’t hinge on me hesitating to shoot a damn hostage.”

    • #rutina wesley
    • #femshep
    • #mass effect
    • #mass effect 2
    • #mass effect 3
    • #bioware
    • #dream casting
    • #also:
    • #dreamy
    • #commander shepard
    • #shepard
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“I don’t think everyone should be able to have a same sex relationship. For instance, Kaidan , whilst I’ve only kept him alive for 10 minutes in every playthrough, not once did he ever come across as gay or bi. Why suddenly in ME3 would he be homosexual?”

WHILE I HAD BARELY ANY INTERACTION WITH THIS CHARACTER AND CERTAINLY NONE THAT INVOLVED ADDRESSING THEIR SEXUALITY, I AM 100% CERTAIN OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION AND ITS TOTAL AND COMPLETE IMMUTABILITY.

    • #contrary to how it may appear i DON'T read the mass effect forums solely to torment myself
    • #mass effect
    • #mass effect 2
    • #mass effect 3
    • #kaidan
    • #kaidan alenko
    • #bioware
    • #queer
    • #trigger warning: queerphobia
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FemShep Steps Forward, But For How Long?

Bioware has finally acknowledged the female Commander Shepard’s existence! And let you decide what the ~iconic~ version will look like (inspiring huge amounts of often SUPER GROSS debate)! And they did all of this just… in time to make a movie that will probs go right back to banal white dudeville.

Sure.

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    • #mass effect 2
    • #mass effect 3
    • #commander shepard
    • #shepard
    • #femshep
    • #isms
    • #representation
    • #i made this!
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omg omg omg omg omg

NO ONE CARES BUT…

BIOWARE IS EXPANDING SAME SEX ROMANCE OPTIONS FOR THE UPCOMING MASS EFFECT 3 

WHICH IF YOU DON’T KNOW, UP TO THIS POINT, THROUGH TWO GAMES AND NINE ROMANCE OPTIONS, ONLY ONE (1) WAS QUEER

and it was with a “monogendered” alien race who all just happen to look like hot, thin human women which they tried to use to say that it wasn’t REALLY ~gay~ that your female character banged this hot, thin human-except-for-being-blue woman when people asked why there were no m/m options as well, which was horrible but somehow still slightly less so than when they basically just went BCS THEY’RE SPACE MARINES AND SPACE MARINES 200 HUNDRED YEARS IN THE FUTURE TOTES CAN’T BE QUEER BCS WHO EVER HEARD OF QUEER PEOPLE IN A MILITARY SETTING

but anyway

guys i am just… SO. HAPPY. ;____;

I never play dudes in RPGs ever because there are already enough stories about dudes in the world so if I’m shaping the narrative about the badass hero who is the most important person in the world you can fucking BET that it will be a lady every time and also in terms of Mass Effect specifically I REALLY REALLY REALLY hate the voice acting on the dude player character

and so

FULL DISCLOSURE:

Throughout the entirety of the Mass Effect series WHICH I LOVE DEARLY

the number of dudes i have legitimately seriously wanted to romance for a reason other than i am a completionist is…

ONE (1)

the number of ladies i have legitimately seriously wanted to romance for a reason other than i am a completionist is…

ALL OF THEM

EXCEPT… the ONE (1) that i could

because that was my life

BUT NOOOOW <3___<3

i am just really excited about this okay

DID I MENTION THAT ONE OF THESE LADIES I WAS PREVIOUSLY CRUELLY DENIED BEING ABLE TO BE IN LESBIANS WITH WAS BOTH VOICED AND MODELED AFTER YVONNE STRAHOVSKI

YVONNE STRAHOVSKI

with her real accent

okay i’ll show myself out

    • #there were three other hook-up and/or flirtation options that could be f/f
    • #but two of them involved no actual relationship whatsoever and were all male gaze titillation
    • #the third was basically an unrequited flirtation
    • #representation
    • #isms
    • #queer
    • #mass effect
    • #mass effect 2
    • #mass effect 3
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So, western RPG fandoms do a lot of things that I don&#8217;t understand. Chief among them is the overwhelming amount of shipping fueled character hate. Shipping-fueled character hate obviously isn&#8217;t at all foreign to fandom, in general, but it continually boggles my mind in RPGs because the narrative of a roleplaying game is inherently mutable. When you&#8217;re talking about romanceable non-player characters, each and every romantic option for the player character is both equally canon and equally optional. You can complicate things in various ways if you really want, but it all remains fundamentally down to your choice. If you want to construct a story in which your character has only ever loved this one specific other character and they are OTP OF THE UNIVERSE, you can and all of the other characters continue to exist and slot themselves into non-romantic roles.
In this situation, when all things are equal, there&#8217;s just no reason for that special kind of WHY AREN&#8217;T MY INTERESTS/PREFERENCES BEING VALIDATED IN THE TEXT LIKE XYZ comparative resentment because… they are.*
So I&#8217;m left eternally trying to figure out WHY. Is it just that people need a villain, no matter how ill-suited for the role or, indeed, how unnecessary such a role is at all? Is it that people legitimately can&#8217;t ever just LIKE a thing on its own merits without setting up an unnecessary dichotomy in which the thing they like is GOOD implicitly because this other thing is BAD?
I mean, I could write (and have…) essays on why I really, really hate certain characters because I find them problematic in various ways. I could explain at length why the romance options with yet other characters just don&#8217;t appeal to my own personal preferences and interests.
But it&#8217;s not comparative. It has absolutely nothing to do with the characters that I DO like and I don&#8217;t see any reason that it should. When everyone can have their own toys and take them all home, why would you ever care what that kid over there&#8217;s toys look like? How does convincing yourself that their toy sucks make your toy (the one you got to choose yourself) better?
Of course, then there are those instances of character hate growing out of bitterness and resentment directed at the character in question for perceived slights, which is often a whole other level of bogglement for me.
@cloudsinmyeyes thinks, and I tend to agree, that many times it&#8217;s related to the fact that RPGs are so id-based and trade entirely on you identifying heavily with the character you&#8217;re playing. The entire world and everyone in it revolves around your player character, however you&#8217;ve chosen to construct them, and the entire world tends to be worshipful and generally bend to the power of your badassery and shape itself along your impulses. So, whenever a character does something that isn&#8217;t what you want them to do, it&#8217;s unacceptable. The fact that this is, ultimately, a story and that they are all characters within a story &#8212; people with established feelings and personalities and priorities &#8212; falls entirely by the wayside as people identify so intensely with their character that they become completely incapable of considering any of the other character&#8217;s points of view or motivation.
And then people write 9000 weird revenge fics to punish the character?!?!
WHERE WAS I GOING WITH THIS ALL?
Oh yes! 
1) RPG fandoms are really myopic about the narrative they&#8217;re supposed to be engaging in, which I guess is true about most fandoms, but has a special troubling edge in RPG fandoms because the audience is a key component in the construction of that narrative.
2) I will never, ever, ever understand the extraordinarily distorted ways in which people manage to parse things like Horizon in Mass Effect 2. (Or Morrigan&#8217;s Offer in Dragon Age, while we&#8217;re here.)
3) In keeping with my with my intense and unapologetic Good Boy Complex, I WILL STAN KAIDAN ALENKO 4 LYFE, half because I really like his character and legitimately find him compelling, layered, subtly drawn, and interesting and half because 95% of Mass Effect fandom seems to have failed to consider anything about his character AT ALL outside of going  a) OMFG HOW DARE HE EVER BE ANGRY WITH ME FOR EVEN A SECOND JUST BECAUSE TO THE BEST OF HIS KNOWLEDGE I WAS FAKING MY OWN DEATH FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN TURNED UP BUDDYING AROUND WITH TERRORISTS AND FLIPPANTLY ASKING HIM TO LEAVE THE MILITARY AND JOIN ME. WITH THE TERRORISTS. and/or b) OMFG THAT ASSHOLE HOW DARE HE BETRAY ME BY ALLOWING HIMSELF TO BE BADGERED INTO GOING OUT FOR DRINKS ONCE WITH SOMEONE ELSE AFTER TWO YEARS OF ENDLESSLY MOURNING ME AND HAVING NO PERSONAL LIFE TO SPEAK OF.
Look at your life, ME fandom. Look at your choices.

*Within the confines of the specific characters that are romanceable that is. SINCE AS WE ALL KNOW IF YOU ARE PLAYING CERTAIN GAMES AND WANT TO PLAY A QUEER CHARACTER, FOR INSTANCE, YOU&#8217;RE SHIT OUT OF LUCK.
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So, western RPG fandoms do a lot of things that I don’t understand. Chief among them is the overwhelming amount of shipping fueled character hate. Shipping-fueled character hate obviously isn’t at all foreign to fandom, in general, but it continually boggles my mind in RPGs because the narrative of a roleplaying game is inherently mutable. When you’re talking about romanceable non-player characters, each and every romantic option for the player character is both equally canon and equally optional. You can complicate things in various ways if you really want, but it all remains fundamentally down to your choice. If you want to construct a story in which your character has only ever loved this one specific other character and they are OTP OF THE UNIVERSE, you can and all of the other characters continue to exist and slot themselves into non-romantic roles.

In this situation, when all things are equal, there’s just no reason for that special kind of WHY AREN’T MY INTERESTS/PREFERENCES BEING VALIDATED IN THE TEXT LIKE XYZ comparative resentment because… they are.*

So I’m left eternally trying to figure out WHY. Is it just that people need a villain, no matter how ill-suited for the role or, indeed, how unnecessary such a role is at all? Is it that people legitimately can’t ever just LIKE a thing on its own merits without setting up an unnecessary dichotomy in which the thing they like is GOOD implicitly because this other thing is BAD?

I mean, I could write (and have…) essays on why I really, really hate certain characters because I find them problematic in various ways. I could explain at length why the romance options with yet other characters just don’t appeal to my own personal preferences and interests.

But it’s not comparative. It has absolutely nothing to do with the characters that I DO like and I don’t see any reason that it should. When everyone can have their own toys and take them all home, why would you ever care what that kid over there’s toys look like? How does convincing yourself that their toy sucks make your toy (the one you got to choose yourself) better?

Of course, then there are those instances of character hate growing out of bitterness and resentment directed at the character in question for perceived slights, which is often a whole other level of bogglement for me.

@cloudsinmyeyes thinks, and I tend to agree, that many times it’s related to the fact that RPGs are so id-based and trade entirely on you identifying heavily with the character you’re playing. The entire world and everyone in it revolves around your player character, however you’ve chosen to construct them, and the entire world tends to be worshipful and generally bend to the power of your badassery and shape itself along your impulses. So, whenever a character does something that isn’t what you want them to do, it’s unacceptable. The fact that this is, ultimately, a story and that they are all characters within a story — people with established feelings and personalities and priorities — falls entirely by the wayside as people identify so intensely with their character that they become completely incapable of considering any of the other character’s points of view or motivation.

And then people write 9000 weird revenge fics to punish the character?!?!

WHERE WAS I GOING WITH THIS ALL?

Oh yes! 

1) RPG fandoms are really myopic about the narrative they’re supposed to be engaging in, which I guess is true about most fandoms, but has a special troubling edge in RPG fandoms because the audience is a key component in the construction of that narrative.

2) I will never, ever, ever understand the extraordinarily distorted ways in which people manage to parse things like Horizon in Mass Effect 2. (Or Morrigan’s Offer in Dragon Age, while we’re here.)

3) In keeping with my with my intense and unapologetic Good Boy Complex, I WILL STAN KAIDAN ALENKO 4 LYFE, half because I really like his character and legitimately find him compelling, layered, subtly drawn, and interesting and half because 95% of Mass Effect fandom seems to have failed to consider anything about his character AT ALL outside of going  a) OMFG HOW DARE HE EVER BE ANGRY WITH ME FOR EVEN A SECOND JUST BECAUSE TO THE BEST OF HIS KNOWLEDGE I WAS FAKING MY OWN DEATH FOR TWO YEARS AND THEN TURNED UP BUDDYING AROUND WITH TERRORISTS AND FLIPPANTLY ASKING HIM TO LEAVE THE MILITARY AND JOIN ME. WITH THE TERRORISTS. and/or b) OMFG THAT ASSHOLE HOW DARE HE BETRAY ME BY ALLOWING HIMSELF TO BE BADGERED INTO GOING OUT FOR DRINKS ONCE WITH SOMEONE ELSE AFTER TWO YEARS OF ENDLESSLY MOURNING ME AND HAVING NO PERSONAL LIFE TO SPEAK OF.

Look at your life, ME fandom. Look at your choices.

*Within the confines of the specific characters that are romanceable that is. SINCE AS WE ALL KNOW IF YOU ARE PLAYING CERTAIN GAMES AND WANT TO PLAY A QUEER CHARACTER, FOR INSTANCE, YOU’RE SHIT OUT OF LUCK.

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