Q:anybody who thinks elementary is better than sherlock is a dumbass
Q:Do you think the writers of Elementary wrote Irene as Moriarty the whole time, and to explicitly examine and subvert the women in the refrigerator trope, or was she fridged and then the writers (who purposefully gave themselves wiggle room) saw how people reacted and switched it up? Like Elementary seemed to get more and more aware of what their fandom wanted with things like representation, more Bell, more Alfredo, more Clyde, etc. re-watching the show makes rewatchin the fridging more bearable
I find the idea that they didn’t plan it the whole time utterly mystifying tbh. The entire narrative of the season is clearly structured around it.
I mean, I was never upset over Irene being “fridged” because I never believed for a second that she was dead. I didn’t think that she was HERSELF Moriarty because I thought that would be too awesome for network television, but everything about her supposed death screamed “not actually dead” in addition to the fact that you don’t just kill off one of your most iconic characters sight unseen.
Not to mention that I think this grants a little bit too much credit to fandom and its preferences. I mean, shockingly, sometimes there are professional writers and showrunners out there who care about representation and are actually pretty good at their jobs?
Q:Do you have Irene thoughts/feelings (for Elementary, natch)?
Since she hasn’t shown up yet, no not really.
but really though
looking at the characters from the ACD canon that are in the show (if I’m missing any, please let me know)…
- Watson: Joan WOC yay!
- Sherlock: white guy
- Gregson: white guy
- Moran: white guy
- Irene: white woman
- Mrs. Hudson: white woman (but she is trans! yay!)
do you not see why we want a man or woman of color as moriarty? like… good on you show for switching it up with watson and mrs. hudson but if every other canon character besides watson is white, then, like, I feel like you didn’t try hard enough
While I would love more POC characters in the show, I think that having a MOC as Moriarty (and especially a Black man) would bring up stereotypes that Black men are inherently dangerous and the villains.
I really this post about having a POC being a villain.
But yes I would love more POC in Elementary, just not as villains (but I’m white so I could be very wrong).
Well, I’m not white and the eight minutes during which I thought that Moriarity, one of the most iconically brilliant characters in the western canon, nemesis of probably THE most iconically brilliant character in the western canon, might be John Douglas — a black man from an underprivileged upbringing — were eight of the most excited minutes I’ve ever spent watching Elementary. And anyone who follows me on Twitter knows that my normal level of excitement about Elementary is nothing to sneeze at.
I desperately want Moriarty to be a POC.
If the ONLY black man in the show was the bad guy you might be on to something, but that’s not the case.
Also, I disagree with that feministdisney post. The hypothetical they bring up is pretty pointless given that we don’t have a situation where black men are always given the roles of “really cool” villains and never get to be heroes, as such we have to judge the antagonistic roles that black men get against actual reality.
The racist stereotype of criminality wrt black people and black men especially if not directly derived from is hugely, heavily influenced by the perception that black people are inherently unintelligent, brutish, and animalistic. As such black men, lacking any other way to get by, become violent thuggish petty criminals and ONLY violent thuggish petty criminals. Compare this to the way that white criminals are constantly, perpetually glamorized when they are the villains and moreover are made into dramatic and tragic antiheroes who are the protagonists of their own stories.
To reduce the issue with black people being the villains in fiction simply to the frequency with which it happens is hugely myopic. Yes, if every villain ever was black and no heroes were, clearly, that would not be okay.
But to assert that the quantity alone is the issue of such primacy to necessitate barring black people from playing complex and well-developed and important characters whether they be protagonists, antagonists, contagonists, or otherwise is completely counterproductive.
The actual issue is that black people aren’t often allowed to play full and complete characters, and an antagonist who isn’t unintelligent, thuggish cannon fodder is just as much of a rarity for black men as the stubbly hero who saves the world or wtfever.
Pros-and-cons of Sherlock and Elementary, rebloggable by request
This is a REALLY good list.
This is a really, really good list.
I really want to see Elementary, but not managed it yet because we don’t have Sky. :(
All of this is correct.
on CBS is legitimately my biggest complaint.
lol that time the asshole segment of a huuuuge pre-existing fandom dedicated themselves to constantly being awful to a new fandom from the moment of its inception, in response to which said new fandom did their best to laugh at the attacks, call out grossness, and/or ignore it by fleeing to a safe space
then a bunch of people wandered in a year later and started scolding the new fandom for its resentment of the pre-existing one and assigning them equal blame for the “war” between the two
Another day, yet more terrible Pressed BBClock Fans whining about the fact that Elementary… exists.
I’m just so tired FOR YOU at this point. Just let goooo. No one cares anymore but you!! The majority of Elementary fandom is just minding its business loving its show never thinking about Sherlock until you come into the tags to explain how Elementary is horrible and use words that you apparently don’t actually comprehend like “homophobic.”
Are you really that bothered that people love Elementary? Does its success offend you? Are you bored because your show isn’t back and instead of reading fic or watching something else like a normal human being you instead have to perpetually harass an ultimately UNRELATED fandom?
You should talk to someone about this Sherlock fandom. Work out your obvious aggression issues. I’m worried about you.
i already tweeted this but
I had a dream where a bunch of stuff happened and Sherlock was acting super weird(er than usual) and he and Joan had some sort of convo (maybe with her therapist??) about friendship and stuff and Sherlock was being super uncooperative. Then finally Sherlock went on an angry deduction rant about how he’s in love with Joan.
ADD IT ALL UP WHAT DOES IT SAY?!?!!!
i thought i’d share that
Please move on. We’re really not trying to undo anything that Conan Doyle tried to do.
joanlock is ground floor msr, i finally understand what the original ‘shippers felt.
ah, the pungent smell of total and complete bullshit in the afternoon:
- OP posts a ~random~ “question” from some Unrelated And Clearly Totally Unbiased And Not At All Of Dubious Motives Tumblr User
- Said question is focused on how Lucy Liu’s Watson is an affront to all people who THINK CRITICALLY about WOCs’ roles in media since she apparently has no separate life or concerns of her own outside of Holmes and is just his “fiesty employee” and “comical assistant” instead of being the POV character/narrator like traditional white dude Watsons
- Because apparently Unrelated And Clearly Totally Unbiased And Not At All Of Dubious Motives Tumblr User has not actually…. watched the show…..
- OP then congratulates Unrelated And Clearly Totally Unbiased And Not At All Of Dubious Motives Tumblr User on their GREAT! MESSAGE!
- And proceeds to concerntroll about the topic of WOC in TV and how they hope Elementary fails NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST IT YOU SEE WHY WOULD YOU EVER THINK THAT but because THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!! and they are such a HUGE! FAN! of Kerry Washington and Scandal which is on at the same time
- Such a huge fan that there is literally nothing on their Kerry Washington and Scandal tags but that selfsame post
- And indeed despite their Deep Concerns about the Representation of Women of Color on TV
- Only a single WOC in TV appears on their entire blog — that WOC in TV being the one black lady from BBC Sherlock appearing incidentally in one gif in a gifset from BBC Sherlock
- Because their entire blog is 85% white dudes from BBC Sherlock with miscellaneous other white dudes here and there
ATTN CONFUSED PERSONAGES
Making fun of the fact that Benedict Cumberbatch, to use scientific parlance, “looks like he fell out the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down” is not nice.
It is also not:
- "reverse" racism
- discriminatory in any way
If you think that it is, you don’t understand what these words mean and you should stop using them.
Thinking that Benedict Cumberbatch is boring and unexceptional, i.e. the slang term “beige,” and giving him silly nicknames reflecting that is not nice.
It is also not:
- "reverse" racism
- discriminatory in any way
Making fun of one person with regard to aspects of their being that are not the subject of any manner of institutional discrimination is mean. But that’s pretty much all it is.
Doing so when the person in question is a) an insufferable douchebag, b) completely unaware that it is happening and in all likelihood will continue to be so for the rest of their natural life is… idk, mildly unpleasant I guess if you, for some reason, feel the need to defend this total stranger from other total strangers making fun of them far outside the sphere of their knowledge???
In conclusion, if you want to be angry at Elementary fandom for responding to months and months worth of baseless hatred laced with misogyny, classism, and racism by making fun of Benedict Cumberbatch just be straightforward about it and admit that you’re just pissed because there are people out there mocking your precious, brilliant, beautiful curdled milk oppa.